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Thinking about chins
« on: June 30, 2016, 03:02:36 AM »

Hello everyone,

I have joined the forum to learn about chinchillas. I have wanted chins for many years and now I have bought my first house I finally have the room to let my chinchilla set up go wild  ::nod::

I have always had house rabbits and hamsters. Being a rabbit owner I know very well the cost of having pets  rofl ??? this month paid £1200 pounds on my house rabbits ear infection at the specialist vets.

Do chins need to go to a specialist vet? or can you go to a local vet. What are some problems I might experience? Do they get sick a lot? For example rabbits have a very funny tummy and get GI status and you have to be extra careful with diet extra? Is this the same with chins or are they quiet hardy animals in terms of illness and disease. The reason I ask I because I understand chins can live up to 20 years and so trying to understand potential vet trips.

Also anyone have buns and chins? Can you get them out at the same time? My buns not territorial and shares free range time with the hamster. Just wondered if chins might be frightened.. It doesn't matter if they cant be out together. I don't know anyone who has chins my self.

Also can they get insurance? :) thanks everyone xxx
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Re: Thinking about chins
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2016, 07:02:40 AM »

This a great place to learn about chinchillas. We have some great volunteer help as well.

The good news is that chinchillas, when they come from a reputable breeder and are given a proper diet and environment are relatively care-free. The bad news is they do have to see a specialist vet and are more fragile than rabbits. So when they do get sick it can become very serious quickly.

I've owned chins for over four years now. My first one came from a pet store and was essentially a rescue so it wasn't being properly cared for. It presented with malocclusion six months after I had him and took him to the vet to diagnose it. Then I had had him euthanized. I think it was less than $400 (USD) for that ordeal including a physical exam of the teeth under anesthesia. When malocclusion is diagnosed it's very very rarely worth trying to save a chin. Prevention is the best cure.

The second chin was from a reputable breeder and he presented with a coccidia infection that was easily treatable. That was about $150.00 maybe six months after I got him. A couple of years later he presented with a watery, crusty eye. I'm suspecting it was from getting dust or hay in it. As a precaution I had that examined and got medication to treat it. Turned out I didn't need the meds. That was about $90.00. I was being cautious on that because watery eyes can signify a respiratory infection which must be treated aggressively if it were.

My third chin (now I have two in the same cage although divided) had some unusually formed feces since I got him and I had him checked out at a different vet just to make sure everything was okay. After consulting with him I came to the conclusion that his intestines are formed just a little differently than usual and it was not a problem for him. That was a $100.00 visit. I had the option of getting a fecal culture for an additional charge if needed. The exam was good peace of mind though and he was found to be very healthy and they did a quick visual tooth exam as well.

So I can say only two visits were for treating or diagnosing a real problem. The other two were mostly precautions which amounts to about one every two years per chin. As they get older, in their teens, they may not do as well. If you're someone who is hands-on with care you can manage them as best you can until it's time to put them down if they get something more serious.

I would also mention that I've treated minor cuts and scrapes myself and I know what infection looks likes that requires veterinary care.

Chinchilla's digestive systems are more sensitive than rabbits. You can avoid a lot of problems by not feeding treats and make sure their diet is very plain. All they need is good alfafa-based pellets plus loose timothy hay. If there are digestive problems GI-stasis is pretty common. However it is rare if you catch it early, monitor their daily food intake, and syringe feed a recovery diet (at a veterinarian's advice if possible) to keep those intestines flowing. The problem comes if they stop eating for several days and it goes unnoticed. Also they are very sensitive to oral antibiotics and must be monitored intensively if you ever use baytril. By weighing your chinchillas once a week you can usually find warning signs well before it gets that bad.

It is not recommended to let chinchillas and rabbits together. One is they don't have the same behavior patterns and the potential that they will injure each other while playing is very high. Most importantly is they can infect each other with diseases. A bacteria that is normally present or beneficial in a chinchilla, for example, may wreak havoc in a rabbit, or vice versa. You certainly don't want your chins to have access to vegetables or rabbit food. (However certain specific types of rabbit food are suitable. Most are unacceptable to chins).

Exotic pet insurance is certainly possible. Considering how little care I've needed I personally wouldn't find it worth the expense. (Although I don't know what the UK insurance market looks like. I imagine it's cheaper). For me it's worked well just to have a line of medical credit that can be used for veterinary care. Basically I've set a limit on how much I'll spend an a vet before I have might have the animal put down.

And lastly handling chinchillas properly and preventing accidents always a good policy. Prevention is the best cure for a lot of what I've seen. Make sure your cage and accessories are safe and that handling them will not land them on their face or result in falling.
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Re: Thinking about chins
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2016, 07:28:51 AM »

Thank you for replying

I would love to rescue, but as a first time chin owner do you think its better to buy from a breeder? I know it is a selfish thing to say, but at this moment in time I cant take the heart break of taking on another pet with problems from the beginning. I had one of my buns for 8 years and was always at the vets as he was born with many problems including dental disease and many other things and now my other one is racking up a bill for the ear infection. Its not even the money, its the heart ache of your pet being sick. Luckily I have a very supportive partner who puts money away for our vet bills  ::) Are teeth problems common in chins?
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Re: Thinking about chins
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2016, 01:08:28 PM »

malocclusion occurs for two reasons, genetic or environmental. It is important to source you chin from a reputable breeder, thus greatly reducing the first cause. Poor diet, lack of safe wood to chew and grind teeth on, falls or bangs can also cause teeth problems. Once malocclusion is diagnosed, it may be controlled for a time by regular teeth buffing by a vet, however, there is sadly no cure. If root elongation occurs, then it is kinder to euthanise.
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Re: Thinking about chins
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 01:27:34 PM »

In other words it's safer to find a reputable breeder. Unfortunately with any animal there are no guarantees but good breeders will be selective of which chins they breed and will remove chins that they suspect may have passed on verified genetic diseases including malo. And also if they have a good reputation you can expect they have been properly cared for so the environmental risk of malo (poor diet, vitamin deficiency from bad breeding practices, falling from being mishandled etc.) should all be statistically lower.

I wouldn't say tooth problems are common but they show up a lot on forums like ours (considering what we do that's to be expected). I think the most common complaints I see are usually minor. You can browse our health board to get a feel for what we get here but please be aware we are a magnet for a lot of morbid worst-case scenarios. Unfortunately many pets die and the cause of death is never formally determined.

When holding your pet, taking him out of the cage make sure you have a good handle on him at floor level. And When putting him back make sure to release him at floor level. Also get a feel for what the chin is going to do before lifting him out the cage if possible. Of the accidents I know of that have affected chinchilla's teeth this precaution would have certainly prevented them.
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Re: Thinking about chins
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2016, 03:01:53 PM »

Thank you for taking the time to reply.  I have read all the information and yes it's right it looks all doom and gloom that's why I wanted peoples generalised experience. I don't know if this is a silly question. ..bit why do they live so long in comparison to other animals? Where would I find a good breeder?  :::grins:: xxx
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Re: Thinking about chins
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 05:20:50 PM »

Not sure how to answer the question about lifespans. That is usually genetically hardwired into the species. Perhaps for matters of ecology, food chain, population distribution, etc. I'm not God so I can't really answer that.

I do have a breeder directory with some links. We have a few people from the UK on our boards. Maybe they might chime in as well.
http://www.chinchillaclub.com/breeder/
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Re: Thinking about chins
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 11:08:01 PM »

Where abouts in England are you based, and how far are you prepared to travel?
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Re: Thinking about chins
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2016, 01:35:11 AM »

I am in Southampton,  England. I don't mind travelling where ever? Thank
you ill have a look x
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