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Breeders => General Breeder Chat => Topic started by: Summer on December 11, 2006, 01:55:30 PM
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OK I hope I get all this right so here it go's. As you know I got Norry a few mths back,her son a black velvet his great grandma was just diagnosed malocclusion. I am suppost to get him some time aound the 15th. She did not tell me this, :flames: I found this out toughe old posts. what should I do? should I tell I can't take him? Or ? I'm at a total loss as what to do. Please help!!! :'(
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I would be very upset also, but I don't know what I would do. :-\
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I personally would not take a chin who had a genetic mistory that included malocclusion. But since it is his great grandmother, you might consider whether this problem has been seen in any of the other chins in the line. If it has not occurred anywhere else then maybe it is ok, but it is up to you whether you feel comfortable taking the risk.
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I don't know if it has shown up any where in line. I just want to love this guy and then lose him. :'( Think god that it on the father's siad and not Norry's, she is the sweest chin.
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I personally would not chance it. You can always find another BV male, but how comfortable are you with paying large amounts of money for regular dental visits throughout his entire life and with the possibility of watching him suffer?
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::silly::Number one, I would confront the breeder about his great grandmother having malocclusion.
Malocclusion can be hereditary and/or (according to what I have heard) be caused by other things.
I would want to know which it was and why you were not told.
That being said ... regardless what the cause ...
you were not told by the breeder ... can you trust anything they tell you ...
Do you want to purchase from someone who has not been truthful with you?
Are you willing to love this little one, then, possibly, see it suffer and/or have to put it down? ::think::
All of my remarks are IF the malocclusion is hereditary and not caused by something else ...
IF there is a reason other than hereditary, I would reconsider, but with great caution.
Just my two cents worth. ::shrug::
It the end, it is up to you.
::wave::
Jo Ann
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Thank every one,this is what I was looking for. I just couldn't believe it you know. If I took him I would never have breed him. I am going to email her today, b/c I don't want this to happen some one else. I feel very :flames: :noway: :'( all at the same time. I just can't put knowly put myself though that.
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That's sound like a good choice to me.
I have read it takes both parents being carriers for a kit to become sick.
The thing is we can't tell who's a carrier until they or their off spring get sick.
Some say genetic malocclusion will show by the age of 3, while some say 5.
So how many off spring could be produced by the same pair before a case of malocclusion shows up?
How many of those could already be in breeding themselves?
It doesn't take much for a chin to have teeth problems. Anything from a smack to the mouth, an illness or even stress. Anything that would cause a chinchilla to go off it's feed will cause the teeth to over grow and wear irregularly..
Once irregular growth and wearing starts you get into all kinds of problems.
I have seen spaces develop between the teeth and feed can get caught causing gum disease.
I have seen laserations to the cheeks from points and spurs that develop from irregular chewing.They can get infected too.
I've seen some drool at the earliest stage, while one hardly ever.
With all we know it's not enough yet.
I don't believe there is any way of knowing for sure what caused each of my cases.
Though I did see one take a good bump to the mouth and later developed.
One had a severe injury as a kit, and developed malocclusion before he was 2.
Another suffered from hypoglycemia, went into shock, off his feed then needed trims.
Though the vet is inclined to believe the jaw bumps are a good indication of genetics, I've seen them in all my cases, and don't agree.
Knowing what I know I would never buy or sell a chin from a line that had any signs of malocclusion in it anywhere.
To me it's just not worth the heart ache for me/new owner, or the punishment for the chin.
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The sad thing is this guy is only about 5 mths. I feel so bad for this chin,who is going to want him know this. The great grandmother is 6 years old. I know I shouldn't feel so bad but I do!
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I purchased a pair of bonded breeding chinchillas when I first got into breeding. Both of them ended up maloccluding after I had them for over 2 years and each was around 5 years old. The female maloccluded during her last pregnancy and I felt awful that I had to wait until she delivered and had successfully nursed the baby for 6 weeks before I could put her down. About six months after that, the male maloccluded. I was very lucky that every one of the kits they had produced were placed in non-breeding homes. That being said, I contacted each person that had one of the offspring and let them know that, if the animal ever had problems with the teeth, they could bring it back to me and I would give them a healthy, high quality replacement. I know how hard it was for me to watch my two chinchillas suffer and I wouldn't want one of my customers to have to go through that.
I think not putting yourself through potential heartache is a wise decision.
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Thank you for your support. I know I made the decision,but still does not feel good.I know that if am this upset a about this now imagn when he had become my pet.
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Thank you for your support. I know I made the decision,but still does not feel good.I know that if am this upset a about this now imagn when he had become my pet.
It never feels good when you look at a chin and know the odds are that it will have to suffer before it dies and can never have the full life, which it deserves. If it did not make you feel bad, there would be something wrong.
Some chins that have a tooth problem with the front teeth, they can be clipped on a regular basis by the owner after they are trained to do so, this can be done almost painlessly (re: "Toofie" In Breeding 101 under: "Super Chinnie Mom" & "Dear Sweet Cody is gone!") ... but when the side and back teeth become involved, the chin will probably suffer greatly before someone finally lets him pass on in peace.
When the side and jaw teeth are involved ... at the first signs of pain/difficulty, please let him/her go free before they have to suffer. It is not fair to them. Do not be selfish and think only of the pleasure the chin gives you. Do not return his/her love with continued pain.
::wave::
Jo Ann
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Thank you for your support. I know I made the decision,but still does not feel good.I know that if am this upset a about this now imagn when he had become my pet.
It never feels good when you look at a chin and know the odds are that it will have to suffer before it dies and can never have the full life, which it deserves. If it did not make you feel bad, there would be something wrong.
Some chins that have a tooth problem with the front teeth, they can be clipped on a regular basis by the owner after they are trained to do so, this can be done almost painlessly (re: "Toofie" In Breeding 101 under: "Super Chinnie Mom" & "Dear Sweet Cody is gone!") ... but when the side and back teeth become involved, the chin will probably suffer greatly before someone finally lets him pass on in peace.
When the side and jaw teeth are involved ... at the first signs of pain/difficulty, please let him/her go free before they have to suffer. It is not fair to them. Do not be selfish and think only of the pleasure the chin gives you. Do not return his/her love with continued pain.
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Jo Ann
Jo Ann I totlly agree with what you siad. Tears came to eye's as I read it.
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OK I talked to her on phone last night,she said that she did not put to and together.That is so very sorry that she did not even think about that. As far as she knows it great grandmother's family as not got malocclusion.She is checking in to it. I helped her call some of the other people who bought chins from this line for her, she was so upset. I know I should not take this chin for all the reasons every one has said but I want this chin to have as nice of life as he can. She is just giving him to me, the money that I was going to buy him is going the vet for a check. I am also starting a fund for future vet visits. Also any thing else that I should be aware of?
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::angel2:: God Bless You. Enjoy the new baby and we will pray that he never has any problems.
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Thank You, I am sure he thanks every one to. ::silly:: It is the lest I can do for him.
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;) You are most welcome my dear! He will be very lucky to have you as his momma, you are an Earth Angel.
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As long as you know what you're getting into, that's the most important thing... I hope that he never has any problems as well. Find him a nice male to keep him company for the rest of his life. :)
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Thank you,I am going to after quarantine hopefully he will go with Chinpo.
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::silly:: I am so proud that you are taking him and will care for him, but at the same time, I am thinking of what you will probably go through for him. It takes a strong person and a good person to handle this type of situation. I think you can be/are both.
You will be his ::angel2:: on earth because you have what this little one needs the most ... lots of love! In return, I am sure, he will return that love every day. He will make his own special place in your heart, forever. You will learn much from him. |hugs|
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Jo Ann
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Thank you Jo Ann, I have a special place in My heart ::wub:: for this little guy all ready. His name is Seymour,I think am going to change his name. But I don't know what to yet. ::think:: He is coming home on the 18th. :::grins::
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Seymour is coming tomorrow ::fruit:: I will post pic as soon as I can. ::silly::
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;) I love his name!!!!!
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::silly::Pictures, please!!!
::howdythere::
Jo Ann
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My prayers are that he never gets sick, and I'm so glad your taking him on.
I have the same problem, I know better, know the pain and expense, but with me I would know they are looked after.
So I know how you feel,we all know |hugs|
Yes we want to see him.
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OK I waited all day for him, nothing.I got email late last night that she had the flue,so she make till after the frist year. :'( So I have to wait some more but he is worth it. ::nod::
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Time will fly over Christmas, but I know your disappointment.
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Seymour is home. |hugs| He is so sweet!! He is sitting on me right now. :::grins::
I am going to take pics right now.
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I'm so glad you finally got him. ;)
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I have falling for this little guy. My camera is not wanting to load on computer. ::think::
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(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/pyrenees_2006/HPIM2152.jpg) This is Seymour.
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and another
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/pyrenees_2006/HPIM2154.jpg)
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one more and will stop.
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/pyrenees_2006/HPIM2153.jpg)
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Hehehe! Look at that skinny little tail! What a cutie! :::grins::
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He is so cute! ::nod::
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He looks like he has a sweet disposition. Very cute ;)
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I didn't know if I should start a topic or not? But here is update on Seymore he is doing great no problmes at all. He has turning in to a little brat! lol He is my little buddy, He go's to the vet every four months or so. He loves to bye bye, all I have to do say it and he is ready to go. Here is updated pics of him.
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/pyrenees_2006/Seymore-1.jpg)
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/pyrenees_2006/Seymore3.jpg)
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What a cutie he is! :)
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::silly:: He is so cute! Glad to see him looking so much better. I was kinda worried about him, but it looks like who ever was chewing his fur (or him if he was chewing his fur) is no longer chewing it. A beautiful tail!
God gives back to those who care for His creatures ... even the smallest ones. ::nod::
::wave:: Jo Ann
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What a cutie indeed, a real hunk.
A suggestion on helping keep his teeth healthy, extra calcium and vit.c how ever possible.
Keep a close eye on his droppings over the years, they'll tell you first if a problem is developing.
I'm sure he'll brings you years of love and joy, and even crack you up now and then. :D