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General Breeder Chat / Re: Thoughts on Certain Mutations?

« on: September 30, 2007, 09:50:14 AM »

I would expect that there will be at least a few new mutations recognized in the next ten years . These new mutations are currewntly under development.
there have been many mutations rcognized I count at least 6 dominants and 13 dominant mutations that have been recognized.
And blends(or hybrids) of current mutations  are not recognized as they are not a unique genotype,but a combination of known genotypes.

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General Breeder Chat / Re: Does the litter brother to the show champ sometimes produce better kits?

« on: November 25, 2006, 11:58:24 AM »

In my esperience that is not always the case. I am aware of a few examples.
A black velvet male that placed first at natl's was placed into breeding. Of all the kits he produced only 1 was GSC and none of the others where of the same quality or produced the same quality. The GSC was placed into breeding and produced 2 gsc 1rgs and 1 third best of show. Yet none of his siblings ever produced near that quality.

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Conformation and Quality / Re: The Tans?

« on: November 23, 2006, 08:05:36 PM »

THe original term "pastel" was a recessive charcoal dominant beige hybrid
and the term "tan" was a dominant ebony dominant beige hybrid.
Now some use the term pastel as a light phase tan,and others use it as a homo beige/ebony chin.
If you don't want offcolor/red kits don't use offcolor breeders. Extremely clear ebs and beiges will not produce offcolor kits. Clarity is a accumulative recessive mutation and must be treated as such in breeding.
Remember clarity is not standard but a" mutation" and must be treated as any other accumulative recessive mutation. The only pigments in fur are red/yellow and brown/black and the original agouti pattern is brown/black with a yellow bar and underfur.

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General Chat / Re: Legal

« on: November 21, 2006, 07:10:54 PM »

They are legal in all states. But since they are considered" domestic livestock" they are outlawed in some cities. Just as ,cows horses,or sheep would be.

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Conformation and Quality / Re: The Tans?

« on: November 21, 2006, 07:08:30 PM »

At three weeks old it is way to early to evaluate the quality of the kits. I have had kits that look good at a young age then don't when thwey are older. I havbe also seen chins that don't look good at a young age then mature into top quality chins .
Any thing under 8 months old is only a guess at quality.
Ask all the top breeders how many top quality kits they have sold at weaning. because they weren't quality. Only too grow up into top quality(includeing GSC) chins that the original breeders wish they hadn't sold.

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South West USA / Re: UTAH female chinchilla wanted

« on: November 20, 2006, 07:06:31 PM »

Where in Utah are you located and what are you looking for? Standard ,mutation? one that can be bred,pet only?

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General Breeder Chat / Re: were your herds based on chins from a few top breeders?

« on: November 16, 2006, 08:11:23 PM »

I get most of my chins from the same breeders for the most part. But more important to me is to buy chins that are the same type as what I have and want to breed for. Just as if you mated a GSC hound with a GSC poodle you would not end up with GSC offspring. chins are no different. If you mate two different types you will not produce the chins you would like to.
If chin "a" is a short furred and chin "b" is long furred you will not like the results of the mating. Next time you are at a show whatch the chins carfully and see if you can determine wich chin belongs to wich long time breeder. With a little practice and if you can idenify the "type" of chin a long time breeder strives for you soon will be able pick different breeders chins by looks alone. Certain lines, even if both are top quality ,will not cross well. 

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General Chat / Re: A Wilson White Chinchilla

« on: November 14, 2006, 07:30:34 PM »

"Wilson White " was the term given to the dominant white mutation when it occured,very similiar to the Tower beige,Gunning Black velvet, Afro violet.
Any and all dominant whites are wilson whites or Wilson white hybrids.
The other terms,mosaic, reverse mosaic ,silver, are all phenotype discritions of whites very similiar to the way color phases are used to describe other chins, A medium standard ,and a extra dark standard are still standards. Just a a prediminantely white ,and mosaic are still whites. It just is a discription of there appearance.
the term "mosaic" is every bit if not more so correct then the term "piebald" when refering to patterns on whites. The term "piebald" is not accurate genetic term when refering to patterns on Doiminant whites, regardless of  claims a particular group.

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General Breeder Chat / Re: How is litter size decided?

« on: November 14, 2006, 07:18:08 PM »

Males will effect litter size , It doesn't matter how many eggs are present if the sperm isn't viable if /when it arrives at the eggs.
sperm quality is a factor in the number of offspring born.

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General Breeder Chat / Re: How is litter size decided?

« on: November 14, 2006, 12:17:26 AM »

Every time a person gives birth from a family that is prone to have twins aren't twins either. But that doesn't change the fact that if you are from a family that has had twins with out fertility treatment you have a much higher probability to have twins.
Most of the longtime breeders. track litter size and they say that litter size is influenced by genetics. You have a slightly higher then 50% chance in any pregnancy to give birth to a boy. but that doesn't mean that if you have 10 kids you will have 5 boys and 5 girls,actually the chances of that are very slim. But that doesn't change the fact that if 10,000 kids are born just over 50% will be male.

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General Breeder Chat / Re: How is litter size decided?

« on: November 13, 2006, 07:22:24 PM »

Litter size potential  is determined largely by genetics. and yes tendancy's for larg litters is a inherited. Yes sperm count,egg count, how active a breeder the male is will influence litter size .But all these are geneticly influenced. Just as tenedancy's for twins,high%of girls ,or high %of males born run in human families. the same can be said for chins as well.

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General Breeder Chat / Re: On average how big are your best breeding females

« on: November 07, 2006, 08:14:38 PM »

A few years ago I purchased a RCC black female at a sanctioned  show ,and was very supprised when I got home she only weighed just over 500g. After talking to several very experienced breeders ,I decided to put her in breeding. She went into breeding with a 625g standard male. She gave birth to a standard female (RMC R70) who I took to two sanctioned shows. She placed RCC at the Colo.ECBC show last year. she also took section champ female at the Intermountain MCBA show last year as well. Yes a stamdard female from a 500+g mute was RCC and section champ when shown. She was also one of the lightest color phase chins shown . She was classified as a dark medium.

Ranchers have known about the "brevi." type chin for years but it was  only  been with in the last few years that they have been used much in most herds.  

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General Breeder Chat / Re: On average how big are your best breeding females

« on: November 02, 2006, 07:10:19 PM »

I as well breed for show and my chins have and will continue to do well. By the standards that have been set by show experts. If you doubt this look at my show results on both organizations websites.As far as small chins having poor coat quality I have never ever seen the coat qualty on the huge Brevi type chins that I have seen on the smaller types.
I prefer extremely clear animals,with excellent texture, but still have good conformation. I can't accomplish this by useing the huge brevi type chins.I guarentee you that at a show you wouldn't be able to tell my 650g chins from some of the 800g chins to the eye they are the same size. That is why I say that weight is not a good indicator of size or conformation.
As far as Brevi's having a higher difficulty in birth rate then the other types. It has been well documentesd in many species of animals .that if you have a large flat face you are at a increased risk for birthing difficulties. If you have a longer less flat head you will have less difficulties.
Wich type travels down the birth canel easier?
If you have been tought the opposite I would really look into your sources of info. Talk to vets and ask them what body structure types have the highest risk for birthing problems. I also have talked to many ranchers who have bred for years and have relied on there experienc ,knowledge and records. and all will tell you the Costina type will breed like rabbits have little or no difficulty raising larger numbers of kits. While the Brevi's have more birthing difficulties, have less kits per birth and have difficulty raising more then two kits at a time.   

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General Breeder Chat / Re: On average how big are your best breeding females

« on: November 01, 2006, 10:20:45 PM »

I don't use weight as a guage for size on any of my chins,to me that is like trying to use weight as a guage for how tall someone is.
As far as the smaller weighted chins being unsafe to breed the evidence shows the exact opposite, the costina type has the largest litters with the least amount of birthing difficulty. while the brevi type has far fewer kits and a significantly higher rate of birthing difficulties.

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General Chat / Re: Feeding kits alfalfa hay

« on: November 01, 2006, 09:35:52 PM »

All my chins get alfalfa with no problems. A lot of it depends on what you are feeding. The protein level of your pellets . As well as the protein level of the alfalfa. the protein level in alfala can vary greatly. Can go from a high of 20+ percent to as low as 10% in less then two weeks growth time. The less blooms you have the higher the protein level. the higher the leaf to stem ratio the higher the protein level.