thanks debbie. maybe i said it wrong. i'm not that great at explaining..
i think all breeders do it his way don't they, i know they do at shows.
and when i grab a tail [not pull=-- but like debbie said your fingers round the part by the butt] right after i have a hold is when my other hand goes underneath the belly.
you may be able to train him to come onto your hands tho.. before i had so many animals, i had chinchin trained to walk out the cage door onto my arm all the way up and onto my shoulder.. it was soo cute.. won't so it now tho.. anyways, when i want to take them out of the cage, well they will just jump, but if want to hold them first for a second, what i do is put both hands around him, but not touch, give him a second to realize everything is okay, then he starts to walk on my hands and i pick him up.